Vilken brännare??

[Aiygee]

Ska köpa en dvd-r men vet inte vilken. Spelar det någon roll vilket märke osv?

[ktd]

Köp en dvd-/dvd+ då behöver du inte bry dig om formaten. Kostar bara några hundra mer...

[pege63]

Köp en SONY den senaste där kan du köra alla format som CD-R/RW, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW

[Aiygee]

OK. Men jag har hört att dvd+r inte fungerar på ps2.

[ktd]

Det finns fler märken än Sony som klarar både - & +.

<small>[ 08 April 2003, 13:24: Meddelandet redigerat av: ktd ]</small>

[warp]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">referat:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by
Ursprungligen skrivet av Aiygee:
<strong>OK. Men jag har hört att dvd+r inte fungerar på ps2.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DVD+r/+rw funkar på v5 och framåt

[Hansi]

Jag installerade en Sony DRU-500A igår efter några veckors väntetid. Tidigare har jag använt Pioneer A-03, men jag beställde Sonyn då vi ville kunna bränna DVD+R/RW också för att kunna testa även med dessa media på modifierade konsoller.

NEC har en modell som kan bränna alla format också, men jag har för mig att den var snäppet långsammare på vissa saker.

Pioneer A-05 har fått en del dålig kritik för att dom verkar ha ansträngt sig för att göra den inkompatibel med billiga dvd-r skivor eftersom dessa "pirattillverkas" utan att betala licens för teknologin, och därför använder mediasignaturer från andra "godkända" tillverkare.

[Aiygee]

Är det nån som har brännt med en hp dvd-r/-rw?
Funderar på att skaffa sådan då jag får ett bra pris.

[ktd]

HP har väl ingen dvd-r/rw? Dom kör väl med dvd+r/rw?
Eller har dom släppt en ny helt nyligen-?

[novastar]

enligt vad jag hört från NEc själva har de inte släppt sin mult dvd brännare som tar både + och - på grund av Leverans problem av små delar i dem

Sonys brännare klarar inte de utlovade hastigheterna enligt flera forum och data tindingar

Pioneer har där imot fått en massa bra kritik speciellt vid ps2 backup och dvd filmer nackdelen är att den bara klarar dvd-r men istället bränner den i högre hastigheter upp till 4x

det enda som skall vara fel på pioneer är att den itne bränner på billiga skivor

[novastar]

har en 30004 ps2 den läser både dvd-r och dvd+r har testat både film och spel båda verkar funkar trots att jag har ett som ni kallar utselt magic3.1 com jag för överigt inte haft några som helst problem med

[DiViNE]

har en pinoneer a05 och har inga som helst problem att bränna på "dåliga" märken bränner tex på bulk skivor utan några som helst problem

[Pedro]

Din Pioneer A05:a fungerar bra eller. min funger inte alls. vilket brännar program använder du dig av?

[DiViNE]

jag bränner allt i stomp record now max.. har aldrig haft några problem i mitt o många andras tycker är A05'an den bästa brännaren

[ktd]

Det är nog väldigt olika på a05an. Om man har tur har man en som funkar...

<a href="http://www.*********-media.com/a05note.asp" target="_blank">www.*********-media.com/a05note.asp</a>
Hmmm, Hansi har tydligen inte tagit bort bannen på det företaget trotts att dom inte är konkurenter längre. Så här skriver dom i alla fall...

Kompatibilitet - Pioneer A05 & 105

From 2003-02-25 publicerade vi officiellt att vi drar in allt stöd, samt support och media garanti för denna enheten. Många har undrat varför. Anledningarna är många, dock är dem relativt solklara. Vårat beslut är taget utifrån den respons denna enhet har fått av våra kunder, våra egna interna tester, samt oberoende tester och utlåtanden. För att närmare specificera några av elementen som varit grundstenarna för våran ställning:

95% av alla reklammationer & / eller felanmälningar gällande kompatibilitetsproblem med DVD-R, DVD-RW media oberoende av fabrikat görs sonika av ägare till Pioneer A05/105. En skrämmande siffra med tanke på vilka volymer DVD-R media vi omsätter just nu.

Pioneers egna totala nonchalans i ärendet, och deras sätt att bedriva deras politik. Att Pioneer har dispyter med NN mediatilverkare skall inte gå ut över deras trogna kunder. Trots TONVIS med klagomål finns det inget intresse från Pioneers sida att korrigera problemen. Och troligen lär det inte heller korrigeras förrän Pioneer inser att dem enda som förlorar på denna utdragna process är dem själva. Asiatiska mediatillverkare kommer t.ex fortsätta använda illegala tillverkar id på deras skivor om dem vill, att Pioneer bestraffar deras kunder kommer inte att främja en avveckling av den verksamheten.

Våra Interna disc tester med sektor /crc verifiering av media skrivet på olika typer av enheter, med olika FW revisioner. Där samtliga enheter passerade utan större anmärkningar, Pioneer A05 hade en fel-ratio på hela 76% !!! Jämfört med föregångaren A04 som hade en ratio på 6%, Sony DRU 4%, Vivastar RS-111 8%.

Pga dessa aspekter (ovan bara ett axplock!!) kan vi inte lämna vare sig någon som helst garanti på att ett specifikt media är kompatibelt med denna enhet eller ej. Rysk roulette brukar det kallas, och du ger dig in på det på egen risk. Vi upphör även vår försäljning av denna enhet och all service/support gällande den. Samtliga av dessa ärenden hänvisas numera till Pioneer Nordic.

Lite mer axplock ur vad resten av världen tycker:

Reading through various forums and discussion groups it seems that we are far from happy with Pioneer and the A05 4x speed DVD writer. The writer will not burn satisfactory to the budget brands and is limited to 1x speed writing to known 2x speed media. I was going to get myself an A05 for Xmas but I have serious doubts now.
This is what consumers in various forums have been saying

?Intenso DVD-R has read-errors, more than half of the files on the Disk is not readable. (tried 4 times using different software always the same result)?

?the discs are not compatible in a lot of DVD players. So it sucks!?

?when trying to burn onto the Datawrite DVD-R nero 5.5.9.14 it gives me Power Calibration Error.?

?Managed to burn 15% on one datawrite classic disc and 55% on another disc at 2X, now all i get is calibration errors?

?however cannot burn 2x Meritline brand media. I get calibration errors on both?

?I did have digital pixalation on one of my Princo DVD-r's half way through Forrest?

?I think we all should get a Commodore C64 and a 1541 Disk Drive,?

?My newly bought a05 burner won?t recognise my mmore 2x media as such, and will only burn in 1x.?

?So far, I have I have had problems with 2 different 2x media:
DataWrite 2x - Yellow/black Label - burn failed, Power Calibration error
Unbranded 2x - White Label - Burn failed, Power Calibration error?

?I have tried to format 2 different DVD-RW discs (the one included with the drive and another made by imation) but I keep getting and 0051-003-0031-001 error. I'm seriously thinking of returning the drive and getting the Sony?

?This is getting frustrating; I've got a DVD Writer that won?t write on the blanks I've got?

?I got a pack of E-performance dvd-r's and they are not recognised?.

?I got Datawrite classics and they "burn" at 2x BUT the resultant disks are gubbed and unreadable in any machine?

?No luck at all, kept getting "power calibration error"

?Unfortunately I have nothing good to add to this forum. I too have an A05 that only burns one media?

?I had the same result EXCEPT for the Datawrite Classic - of which I also got a 10 pack. The only write option available is 2x or Max and when burned they are fecked?

?data verification fails on everything ive burned onto bulkpaq (purple top) gen3.2?

?i got my 105 today and am not very pleased-it wont detect the purple topped bulkpaq?

?it also doesn't like cdr-w i tried 2 different types and wouldn't touch them.?

?Just to add my findings with my 105 to this list of woe...?

?2x Choice (white top) @ 2x = writes, but unreadable or partly unreadable in all hardware ?
?2x Choice (white top) @ 1x = fails writing partway through and clouds disc?
?1x ICE White top = does not recognise disc?
?2x Datasafe (yellow top) = fails writing partway through and clouds disc?
?1x eProformance = does not recognise disc?
?I have no discs that will write in my 105. All used to write without complaint in my 104?

?media (works fine in dvd, ps2 etc but cannot be read on ao5 or liteon dvd)?

?datasafe yellow tops burn but unreadable in any machine ....?

?had nothing burn at 2 x yet...
it also doesn't like cdr-w i tried 2 different types and wouldn't touch them
I can burn them at 2x too - but the resultant disks are gubbed"

As you can see there are a lot of unhappy Pioneer users
And THIS IS WHAT PIONEER HAS TO SAY
.
?They told me the firmware update is now going through the final stages of testing and hopefully should be out sometime next week.
He also said. 'Unless errors occur'???

?I Phoned Pioneer UK tech support today, and was told that There are clones of TDK and Verbatim discs that use the manufacturer IDs (such as TDKG002.000000) but use inferior quality dyes in their discs, and it is these inferior dyes that cause the discs to fail when burning.?

?The man at Pioneer (Very helpful and informative also told me that the 'clone' discs have a brownish or blueish tinge to the dye and are using a pure organic dye, whereas the original discs have a nice purple tinge to them, and are using a different dye type. which is why people think that pioneer are 'banning' the cheaper media. but it's because the media actually doesn't meet the correct specifications and isn't of good enough quality?

?rang pioneer customer services this is what they said. they told me that all cheaper dvdr-media isnt gonna work with a05 as intended. that it writes in 2x with unusable result and that only a few cheap dvdr's work and then you are limited to 1x speed. customer service guy advised me to buy an a04 with firmware 1.31 or buy expensive media?

?I should also mention that when Pioneer tech support was contacted on this issue they said that the firmware on the AO5 is PURPOSELY designed this way to "protect" (!LMFAO!) users from burning coasters on media that they consider sub-par?

?Pioneer is aware of a number of disks on the market that do not conform to
the DVD forum standards for DVD-R disks, Pioneer has never recommended the
use of these disks and we can not support there use in our drives, We are
investigation the problems that users are having using the Eproformance
disks and all other DVD-R disks.?

?We have found that a large number of disks that have the incorrect media ID codes on them will not work in our drives, this is a fault with the disks. ?

?Pioneer will be updating the firmware to add new media to the 2x and 4x
lists within the firmware and we will also be update the firmware to
improve the usability with correctly made disks.?

THIS IS WHAT THE CONSUMERS HAVE TO SAY

?this has got to be a firmware issue rather than a bad drive issue
i have a 105 and have not yet come across a media that i cannot burn
the drive also performs tasks that my 104 would have struggled in doing
i have firmware 0.52 and would like to know what firmware the ppl who are struggling have??
i am taking a shot that the 1.00 firmware was put on the drive to disable the cheap medias that pioneer don?t want us to buy?

?Its easy to say, or perhaps think the problem would be the media. But then, ber in mind the following. The very same discs that has a very high failure level on the A05, works VERY good with the A03+A04. If the problem is the media? Then why doesn?t it affect these units??

?A VERY important note about the A05 is to see that errors seems quite solely being given birth to at higher writing speeds then 1X. Heat problem? Or laser intensifying/power calibration error? I still have grave doubts the media is the rotten dog in this case.?

?I would like to add that Ritek's 1x DVD-Rs are actually 2x, they just didn't pay for the certification. I know this is true of all their current DVD-Rs, though some older stock might be different. I have this straight from Ritek?

?Ok that is what they say Pioneer, but in fact sometings are wrong,You see SONY did also blame the "Bad Media" and after a lot of complain
from customers they have make a new FW and NOW all this so called BAD media works 100%?

?Pioneer have implanted some about this cheap media in there FW. All media that have been sucessfully have payed pioneer to be in there FW so that?s why Princo and other cheap media fail?

"Cheap" media seems to be having the most problems by far as I said. However, "cheap" media is what keeps the majority of your customers buying your drives.

?I love Pioneer. But if we are restricted to using expensive DVD-Rs, I think I'll return it?

?this is possibly the worst piece of hard ware i've ever bought i also have a 104 and no problems with any kind of disks.?

?This is seriously shit on the part of Pioneer if they are blocking 2x on cheaper media and preventing even 1x on it too?

?my patients is wearing thin with this, its like buying a car with 3 wheels,,it will go ,,but not correctly...?

CONCLUSION
As you can see there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the drives performance and Pioneer just say it is down to bad quality media, I don?t think so! A lot of the alleged poor quality media burns satisfactory on the A03 & A04 and also on the Sony so who are they trying to fool?? It has to be political, they messed up the writing on similar media with the firmware upgrade to 1.33 on the A04 then they did the same with the A05. Fortunately there were a few A05?s that didn?t get upgraded when the drives were recalled that?s why there are a few happy users with the original .52 firmware.
Come off it Pioneer we are not all green.

<small>[ 21 April 2003, 15:35: Meddelandet redigerat av: ktd ]</small>